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Good to Great ICs with Liz Brumels

June 03, 2026 • Andrew Barry

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What does it really take to grow from a good individual contributor to a great one? In this special edition of The Learning Culture Podcast, Andrew Barry sits down with talent leaders for short, sharp conversations about the mindset shifts, hard-won lessons, and small moves that separate ICs who plateau from those who keep climbing. ICs matter more than ever as AI reshapes how work gets done, and these episodes are built for anyone navigating that path or helping others walk it.

In this episode, Liz Brumels makes the case for asking the questions you're a little afraid to ask, even when the answer might be no. She walks through how a rejection became a nine-month development plan, why no one is going to build your career for you, and how stepping outside your own team is one of the fastest ways to create advocates across an organization.

If you're wondering what separates the ICs who plateau from the ones who keep climbing, this episode is for you.